Reading book about Kathryn Kuhmann - you know of her? Much odd behaviour, shutting out friends in time of crisis. Yet loads of mind blowing miracles and emphasis on prayer. Wondering if I am guilty of not believing in the supernatural side of spirituality anymore, happy to spend time and money on doing the stuff whilst having little expectation of God doing His stuff. Where are you on this?
Never heard of Ms Kuhmann but just looked her up.
Looks like her story differs depending which source you read?
Wikipedia is very negative, whereas her website is positive
and super-Christian but really really vague. This one is quite
interesting reading. (Err, hi, I'm easily distracted!) That said,
it's easier to find stuff online that disproves faith
healing than anything positive. Who wrote your book?
Do you think the shutting out friends stuff is related to the miracles and prayer stuff?
Day to day there's not much supernatural about life here. I just get on with the stuff I have to do. Actually I find prayer really difficult. I get distracted within seconds. And apart from my arm getting healed 10 years ago, no mind blowing miracles either - still not healed, still playing hokey cokey with the overdraft. There's loads of stuff which feels like it's in the grey area - amazing things that could be attributed to God, or to the fact that I know some amazing people who put in a lot of hard work to make things happen (Project L getting off the ground in just 6 weeks, Project O's entire existence, all but one of the houses/flats we've lived in have been perfect for what we needed at the time etc) Or maybe both?
Probably best describing my approach to supernatural spirituality is that I totally believe in it for other people - "you should get someone to pray for that for you" Someone else will get healed if someone else prays.
Do you think the shutting out friends stuff is related to the miracles and prayer stuff?
Day to day there's not much supernatural about life here. I just get on with the stuff I have to do. Actually I find prayer really difficult. I get distracted within seconds. And apart from my arm getting healed 10 years ago, no mind blowing miracles either - still not healed, still playing hokey cokey with the overdraft. There's loads of stuff which feels like it's in the grey area - amazing things that could be attributed to God, or to the fact that I know some amazing people who put in a lot of hard work to make things happen (Project L getting off the ground in just 6 weeks, Project O's entire existence, all but one of the houses/flats we've lived in have been perfect for what we needed at the time etc) Or maybe both?
Probably best describing my approach to supernatural spirituality is that I totally believe in it for other people - "you should get someone to pray for that for you" Someone else will get healed if someone else prays.
Kuhlman was very controversial in everything from her real age through to her bizarre death, but the number of genuine and extraordinary healings is not really disputable, although no doubt as they healed die off the legacy will fade. Strangely in 60 and 70's USA there were a dozen or so wild characters of whom we would certainly not consider sound and all of them seemed to see amazing miracles. I'll loan you some of my library one day...
Despite have a good friendship with the one guy who seems to have inherited their mantle, and despite having been on a team vetting the healed last year in Italy (him: 'can we have a testimony from anyone who has been healed from blindness?' Us 'how many would you like?' ) And despite seeing a woman get out of a wheelchair - I am still in the same place as you. Why on earth is that, and are we apostates? And how does it get changed? Years of habit are hard to break but I do sometimes dream the same dreams of my youth - boldly praying for the sick, believng there is a right answer.
Has post-modernism and post-christendom helped make the club more acceptable but trended the noisy, uncontrollable and not very fashionable Holy Spirit out of the equation? And if so, is that not actually quite a serious thing?
Despite have a good friendship with the one guy who seems to have inherited their mantle, and despite having been on a team vetting the healed last year in Italy (him: 'can we have a testimony from anyone who has been healed from blindness?' Us 'how many would you like?' ) And despite seeing a woman get out of a wheelchair - I am still in the same place as you. Why on earth is that, and are we apostates? And how does it get changed? Years of habit are hard to break but I do sometimes dream the same dreams of my youth - boldly praying for the sick, believng there is a right answer.
Has post-modernism and post-christendom helped make the club more acceptable but trended the noisy, uncontrollable and not very fashionable Holy Spirit out of the equation? And if so, is that not actually quite a serious thing?
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